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The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.

Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) mast?

CRYSTAL PALACE transmitter - DAB: Slightly reduced power due to a fault from 2 Dec 12:01 until 2 Dec 19:05. . FM: Slightly reduced power due to a fault from 2 Dec 12:01 until 2 Dec 19:05. . BBC


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Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?

If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.

Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.

MuxH/VFrequencyHeightModeWatts
PSB1
BBCA
 H max
C23 (490.0MHz)324mDTG-3200,000W
Channel icons
1 BBC One (SD) London, 2 BBC Two England, 9 BBC Four, 201 CBBC, 202 CBeebies, 231 BBC News, 232 BBC Parliament, 250 BBC Red Button, plus 15 others

PSB2
D3+4
 H max
C26 (514.0MHz)324mDTG-3200,000W
Channel icons
3 ITV (SD) (London), 4 Channel 4 (SD) London ads, 5 Channel 5, 6 ITV 2, 10 ITV3, 13 E4, 14 Film4, 15 Channel 4 +1 London ads, 18 More4, 25 ITV4, 29 E4 +1, 34 ITV +1 (London),

PSB3
BBCB
 H max
C48- (689.8MHz)324mDTG-6200,000W
Channel icons
72 Shopping Quarter , 101 BBC One HD (England no regional news), 102 BBC Two HD (England), 103 ITV HD (ITV London), 104 Channel 4 HD London ads, 105 Channel 5 HD, 204 CBBC HD, plus 1 others

COM4
SDN
 H max
C25 (506.0MHz)314mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
 CCXTV, 12 Quest, 20 Drama, 21 5USA, 28 ITV2 +1, 31 5STAR, 32 Paramount Network, 41 GREAT! movies action, 45 Channel 5 +1, 55 5SELECT, 57 ITVBe +1, 58 ITV3 +1, 59 ITV4 +1, 63 Blaze, 66 CBS Reality, 68 Horror Channel, 73 Drama +1, 77 TCC, 80 Blaze +1, 203 CITV, 211 Ketchup TV, 212 YAAAS!, plus 15 others

COM5
ArqA
 H max
C22 (482.0MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
11 Sky Arts, 17 Really, 19 Dave, 30 4Music, 35 pick, 39 Quest Red, 42 Food Network, 46 Film4 +1, 47 Challenge, 48 4seven, 56 Smithsonian Channel, 69 Quest +1, 74 Yesterday +1, 82 Together TV, 233 Sky News, plus 9 others

COM6
ArqB
 H max
C28- (529.8MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
23 Dave ja vu, 26 Yesterday, 33 GREAT! movies, 38 DMAX, 40 CBS Justice, 43 HGTV, 67 CBS Drama, 81 Talking Pictures TV, 84 PBS America, 234 RT, 235 Aljazeera English, plus 18 others

LW
 H -10dB
C29 (538.0MHz)324mDTG-1220,000W
Channel icons
from 31st March 2014: 8 LONDON LIVE,

com7
 H -6.7dB
C55 (746.0MHz)324mDTG-643,100W
Channel icons
 Together TV +1,  Merit, 64 FreeSports, 70 Quest Red +1, 76 Now 70s, 86 More4 +1, 87 PBS America +1, 89 Court TV, 96 Forces TV, 106 BBC Four HD, 107 BBC News HD, 113 RT HD, 114 Quest HD, 205 CBeebies HD, plus 2 others

DTG-3 64QAM 8K 2/3 24.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-6 256QAM 32KE 2/3 40.2Mb/s DVB-T2 MPEG4
DTG-8 64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)

Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?

regional news image
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 11km north-northwest (334°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
regional news image
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.

Are there any self-help relays?

Charlton AthleticTransposerRedeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club130 homes
DeptfordTransposersouth-east London100 homes
GreenfordTransposer12 km N Heathrow Airport203 homes
HendonTransposerGraham Park estate50 homes
White CityTransposer9 km W central London80 homes

How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?

1950s-80s1984-971997-981998-20122012-1321 Mar 2018
VHFA K TA K TA K TA K TW T
C1BBCtvwaves
C22ArqAArqA
C23ITVwavesITVwavesITVwavesBBCABBCA
C25SDNSDN
C26BBC1wavesBBC1wavesBBC1wavesD3+4D3+4
C28-ArqBArqB
C29LW
C30C4wavesC4wavesC4waves-BBCB
C33BBC2wavesBBC2wavesBBC2wavescom7
C35com8
C48BBCB
C55tv_offcom7tv_off
C56tv_offCOM8tv_off

tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.

How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?

Analogue 1-4 1000kW
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB(-7dB) 200kW
com7(-13.7dB) 43.1kW
com8(-14dB) 39.8kW
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW(-17dB) 20kW

Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Crystal Palace transmitter area

Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated-Rediffusion†
Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated TeleVision◊
Jul 1968-Dec 1992Thames†
Jul 1968-Feb 2004London Weekend Television♦
Jan 1993-Feb 2004Carlton†
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc†
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc♦
Feb 1983-Dec 1992TV-am•
Jan 1993-Sep 2010GMTV•
Sep 2010-Dec 2014ITV Daybreak•
• Breakfast ◊ Weekends ♦ Friday night and weekends † Weekdays only. Crystal Palace was not an original Channel 3 VHF 405-line mast: the historical information shown is the details of the company responsible for the transmitter when it began transmitting Channel 3.

Comments
Sunday, 3 November 2013
Dave Lindsay
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5:10 PM

LouiseB: There is a wealth of information on ATV's site:

Aerials, TV Aerial and Digital Aerial

They also have an online shop - other retailers are available.

If you get a yagi type, go with a Group K, which is Group A and B combined. This will work for both Crystal Palace and Bluebell Hill.

If you are sure that you will only be attempting reception from Crystal Palace then a Group A will work. The point is that a Group A isn't really designed for Bluebell Hill.

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jb38
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5:28 PM

LouiseB: With regards to checking the aerial connections, that said re: oxidisation was referring to where the coax terminates on the aerial, although obviously it would do any harm to check the coax connector end as well.

However, I still recommend that you enquire locally purely to for the purpose of being able to completely eliminate the possibility that the others are also experiencing similar problems to yourself.

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MikeB
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7:46 PM

Chris: I am slightly intrigued when you wrote that you had great reception using the 'SAT socket for the last 2 yrs, with a coax to fibre optic cable'.

Assuming that you meant an normal coax lead (but with a F fitting at one end) rather than a 'fibre optic cable' (because that wouldn't work), there is a reason why you got a good signal, although of course it should not have been possible.

Some months ago there was a similar case, where someone was also using the sat. connection in their building for Freeview. The reason it worked was probably because being fairly close to the transmitter and high up, the coax cable leading up to the dish was basically acting as a large primative aerial. I suspect your getting the same thing!

Although it works, its not ideal, and your obviously paying for both connection to work properly, so certainly have a word with the building manager. Its also perhaps worth asking other residents - if its not working properly for you, you might not be the only one.

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Chris
9:17 PM
London

MikeB: Thanks. As you probably know by now I have no idea what I was talking about. I do mean F fitting, I had a look in Google and it is a coax cable with a F fitting I am using.

I am not sure if I have to pay extra for using the SAT signal, as I've never signed up for anything. It just worked when I first had the TV. And it doesn't seem to have any extra service charge for using the SAT. One other thing, there are two sockets SAT1 and SAT2, only SAT2 works for me.

It may be as you said the cable acts like a aerial, or the builder messed things up when they wire the cables. I duno. Right now, I can't even find any signal with the TV socket, but with the SAT socket at least I got some sound and unstable pictures. Its strange as you said, but I'd just try which ever way it works... I missed Match of the Day last night, and I don;t want to miss it today.....

I just talked to our neighbour today, and apparently everyone is not getting signals these few days. So I am quite happy as its not my problem, so I just need to call the building manager to see what can be done.

Thanks alot!

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MikeB
sentiment_very_satisfiedPlatinum

10:51 PM

Chris: If the sockets have sat 1 and sat 2,
does it look a bit like the ' Double F socket' on this page Wall Plates faceplatesscreened sockets - then you dont have a freeview aerial at all in theory.

Since one of them works, at least you've got something, but its by luck, not by someone putting one in! Ask the management why you dont have Freeview acces, etc is the first step.

If you want to carry on using the Sat2 connection, I think a number of us would like to know the signal strength/quality - just to prove that such a thing works!

If you want a proper aerial, then you could just go and get a portable one for a tenner (someone did mention to me that this Buy John Lewis Performance Amplified Indoor Aerial online at John Lewis worked pretty well, but since your just using a long bit of wire at the moment, I wouldn't be too worried).

If you want to use the F fitting properly, and they are actually attached to a dish, then a Freesat recorder is your best bet for a one off purchase - around £250 for the latest Humax. And there is always Sky..

Let us know how you get on, and what you find out from the building management - if only so you dont miss Match of the Day (there is always Iplayer, and if you've got a new blu-ray, or a tablet, you could stream it to the TV).

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Tuesday, 12 November 2013
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peter batty
5:37 PM

My DVD recorder tuner can get all the COM4 channels from Crystal Palace except Drama (channel 20). Why might that be?

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Michael
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5:45 PM

peter batty: Has it been retuned since Drama came on air? Are you also missing True Entertainment (61) and ITV3+1 (63)?

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peter batty
8:40 PM

michael:

I can get channel 61 but not 63. I hadn't noticed that it was missing. I have retuned from scratch three times since Drama came on air. I took that many goes, over a couple of weeks, to get Movie Mix.

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Wednesday, 13 November 2013
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Rob H
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7:13 AM
Reading

whats happening to crystal palace My TV signals has fallen off the scale can only get about 20 to 40 % signal....... normally it be 70 to 80 %.. my aerials are OK and checked all connections all fine....i think this engineering work has brought the transmission power right down.... I am in Reading RG8 8DB. I also get signals from Hannington.. that' s working ok for now...

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Monday, 18 November 2013
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peter batty
12:18 AM

michael:
did another retune and on COM4 multiplex I don't get 20, 25, 26, 54, 55 or 63. I don't know what makes those different from others on that multiplex but my tuner doesn't see them,

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